Comments on: Ethics Reform…Cleaning Up the Mess

By: JJL9

JJL9 — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:41:48 +0000

JBT has no sense of humor.

Brother Frank better clean up his language before he teaches Sunday school tomorrow.

By: Rep. Craig Frank

Rep. Craig Frank — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:14:22 +0000

Scott: I’m the guy with 3 Campaign Finance bills for consideration next session. However, like 35 former legislators have stated, a lot of what these bills look like by the end of the session will depend on the other 103 legislators. It takes 38-15-1 for any bill to become law.

By: Scott

Scott — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:08:37 +0000

Craig
So you admit it. We have an ethics mess. Fine, you win–ethics reform should have happened 30 years ago. It didn’t and as the title of your post indicates, we now have a mess. Sounds like we agree on something.

So do something real to fix the mess and I’ll be happy.

Unfortunately, as in days past, I doubt the Legislature’s ability to do just that. I’m guessing, that just like before, the Legislature will not be able to make meaningful ethics changes. Prove me wrong.

By: JBT

JBT — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:35:51 +0000

What is important to note is that unlike some pusillanimous posting participants some of us have the courage to write under our real identities and accept accountability for our comments. My dear mother passed away 29 years ago. The rude and cowardly conservative really needs to pick another name to hide behind to take his/her shots at me.

Those who “ignore” points of view other than their own can accurately be called ignorant in the true definition of the word.

By: Rep. Craig Frank

Rep. Craig Frank — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:34:32 +0000

“JBT’s Mother”:

This is a family site, let’s not @!%*$# name call. JBT may have a different point-of-view than some of us…but, my kids read these blog posts…sometimes.

(Damn and Hell are OK, just ask my kids.)

By: Rep. Craig Frank

Rep. Craig Frank — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:22:46 +0000

Cory is spelled with a “K”.

By: JBT's Mother

JBT's Mother — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:02:33 +0000

JBT is an ornery *** He’s consistently mean, one-sided and long winded. His poor wife. I’ve started ignoring his comments.

By: JBT

JBT — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:43:49 +0000

What is being obviously overlooked are all of the ethics violations that have occurred the past seven years that have been swept under the rug by the Republican leadership of the legislature and about which no ethics violations were even filed. When one reads the proposed ethics rules in the initiative it is easy to put the name of a currently serving legislator next to almost every one. This fact by itself speaks volumes about the ethics of the currently serving legislature and the need for reform.

It is this blatant “look the other way” and “business as usual” attitude in the current legislature that has prompted the Utahns for Ethical Government to take the reins on this issue. If Utah had the checks and balances of a true two party system, the Republican majority would not be in the position it currently finds itself in having to defend against the citizens of the state taking over the responsibility of bringing ethics back into Utah’s legislative branch.

It is interesting that Holly feels the need to keep “picking” at the Cory Holdaway appointment as if it were some kind of scab in order to make a point. That in itself proves that she really has nothing of any real substance to say to back up her false charge that the ethics initiative itself is “unethical”. Perhaps when the initiative passes, she can sit in on the ethics classes provided to the legislature by the citizens ethics committee and find out what ethics are really about.

By: Holly

Holly — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:50:10 +0000

Great post. There is a reason it’s being called the unethical ethics initiative. And might I point out the volumes of hypocrisy of those sponsors wanting to pass “revolving door” restrictions on legislators while hiring a sitting legislator to become a lobbyist??? Sadly, that’s just one of many examples…..