Comments on: Bennett…12 Going On 19 (to 24) and Beyond? http://underthedome.org/2009/08/21/bennett12-going-on-19-to-24-and-beyond/ Politics * Economics * Business * History * People Tue, 31 Aug 2010 02:38:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: JJL9 http://underthedome.org/2009/08/21/bennett12-going-on-19-to-24-and-beyond/comment-page-1/#comment-77118 JJL9 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:43:20 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=851#comment-77118 Andrew-- sounds like you would rather vote in someone that will go along with whatever everyone else is doing in Washington, so they can be, what did you call it? Relevant? How about we just elect someone that will stand for the same things we do. Chaffetz does that for me. If you actually like the bill that Bennett is cosponsoring, then Chaffetz is not your guy, not because he's not "relevant", but because he understands liberty and freedom. Andrew– sounds like you would rather vote in someone that will go along with whatever everyone else is doing in Washington, so they can be, what did you call it? Relevant?

How about we just elect someone that will stand for the same things we do. Chaffetz does that for me. If you actually like the bill that Bennett is cosponsoring, then Chaffetz is not your guy, not because he’s not “relevant”, but because he understands liberty and freedom.

]]> By: Ronald D. Hunt http://underthedome.org/2009/08/21/bennett12-going-on-19-to-24-and-beyond/comment-page-1/#comment-77107 Ronald D. Hunt Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:32:13 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=851#comment-77107 It just toke the pro health care crowd longer to get organized, which is to be expected as the pro health care crowd doesn't get bused around in insurance industry sponsored bus's with big red hands on them. In more resent town halls the Pro health care group's have out numbered the Anti Obama care groups. Its an amazing sight to see the difference between the two groups irregardless of where you stand on the real issues involved in health care, On one side of the street you will have people holding up signs of hope and pictures on Obama, And on the other side of the street you have people running around with swastika's and pictures of Obama as hitler. To say nothing of the people showing up at town halls with AR-15 assult rifles(I don't think this should be made illegal, personally i am fine with open carry, but come on this is intentional intimidation.). I didn't vote for Obama, But I find myself very disappointed in the actions of the national republican party as of late, Makes me not sure of who I should support being one of those independents. It just toke the pro health care crowd longer to get organized, which is to be expected as the pro health care crowd doesn’t get bused around in insurance industry sponsored bus’s with big red hands on them. In more resent town halls the Pro health care group’s have out numbered the Anti Obama care groups.

Its an amazing sight to see the difference between the two groups irregardless of where you stand on the real issues involved in health care, On one side of the street you will have people holding up signs of hope and pictures on Obama, And on the other side of the street you have people running around with swastika’s and pictures of Obama as hitler. To say nothing of the people showing up at town halls with AR-15 assult rifles(I don’t think this should be made illegal, personally i am fine with open carry, but come on this is intentional intimidation.).

I didn’t vote for Obama, But I find myself very disappointed in the actions of the national republican party as of late, Makes me not sure of who I should support being one of those independents.

]]> By: HollyontheHill http://underthedome.org/2009/08/21/bennett12-going-on-19-to-24-and-beyond/comment-page-1/#comment-77097 HollyontheHill Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:04:54 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=851#comment-77097 oh, and in case you don't follow the national news, there are now more conservatives than liberals in every state of the union, although 3 are statistically insignificant. Obama's approval rating is under 50% and his approval index is running between -8 and -10. Town hall meetings are packed with angry citizens of ALL political parties not wanting the feds to sell our country down the river any further. If there is a waterloo coming, it's not for the conservatives...... oh, and in case you don’t follow the national news, there are now more conservatives than liberals in every state of the union, although 3 are statistically insignificant. Obama’s approval rating is under 50% and his approval index is running between -8 and -10. Town hall meetings are packed with angry citizens of ALL political parties not wanting the feds to sell our country down the river any further. If there is a waterloo coming, it’s not for the conservatives……

]]> By: HollyontheHill http://underthedome.org/2009/08/21/bennett12-going-on-19-to-24-and-beyond/comment-page-1/#comment-77096 HollyontheHill Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:56:32 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=851#comment-77096 Oh Jasonthe, you're just jealous that Jason C has SO much respect and influence on the Hill. For a freshman in the minority party, he is a rock star and you know it. Ranking member on a House committee? Unheard of! But Bennett is NOT a conservative. Only 7 R's in the Senate are ranked more liberal than he is. Even some D's are more conservative..... Oh Jasonthe, you’re just jealous that Jason C has SO much respect and influence on the Hill. For a freshman in the minority party, he is a rock star and you know it. Ranking member on a House committee? Unheard of!
But Bennett is NOT a conservative. Only 7 R’s in the Senate are ranked more liberal than he is. Even some D’s are more conservative…..

]]> By: jasonthe http://underthedome.org/2009/08/21/bennett12-going-on-19-to-24-and-beyond/comment-page-1/#comment-77056 jasonthe Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:17:10 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=851#comment-77056 Holly, you forgot Rep. Frank's penchant for non-binding resolutions. And I'm loving all of this Bennett hate, mainly because he's got the most political capital. The best thing that could happen for Sam Granato in this race is that the wingnuts get the loudest megaphone, and send up a chameleon like Shurtleff, or one of the other 1900 fringe candidates jockeying for this one. As a Democrat, it's laughable, because Bennett is most definitely a conservative... but ironically, he's a conservative that thinks like a businessman, which has led to him crossing the "ideological purity" line you all impose on your oversimplified world-views. He's practical. Which you hate? It's Cannon, redux. Don't get me wrong here, I was glad to see Cannon go for many reasons (the man was had no spine when challenged on his own assertions... which is irritating, and similar to why I come here to harass Rep. Frank so often), but what conservatives effectively did in UT-3 was remove the rep. who had influence/tenure, and was open to being influenced from within the party with a rep. who is a joke on the hill (I know that might surprise you, but he is) and who no one wants to be within five miles of on paper (i.e. the most ineffectual a house member can be!). Woo hoo! You go. Anyway, just some observations from an "outsider" without a tea bag on my head. Carry on with your waterloo. It's fun for the rest of us to watch. Holly, you forgot Rep. Frank’s penchant for non-binding resolutions.

And I’m loving all of this Bennett hate, mainly because he’s got the most political capital. The best thing that could happen for Sam Granato in this race is that the wingnuts get the loudest megaphone, and send up a chameleon like Shurtleff, or one of the other 1900 fringe candidates jockeying for this one.

As a Democrat, it’s laughable, because Bennett is most definitely a conservative… but ironically, he’s a conservative that thinks like a businessman, which has led to him crossing the “ideological purity” line you all impose on your oversimplified world-views. He’s practical. Which you hate?

It’s Cannon, redux. Don’t get me wrong here, I was glad to see Cannon go for many reasons (the man was had no spine when challenged on his own assertions… which is irritating, and similar to why I come here to harass Rep. Frank so often), but what conservatives effectively did in UT-3 was remove the rep. who had influence/tenure, and was open to being influenced from within the party with a rep. who is a joke on the hill (I know that might surprise you, but he is) and who no one wants to be within five miles of on paper (i.e. the most ineffectual a house member can be!). Woo hoo! You go.

Anyway, just some observations from an “outsider” without a tea bag on my head.

Carry on with your waterloo. It’s fun for the rest of us to watch.

]]> By: Ronald D. Hunt http://underthedome.org/2009/08/21/bennett12-going-on-19-to-24-and-beyond/comment-page-1/#comment-77054 Ronald D. Hunt Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:48:56 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=851#comment-77054 The Bennett/Wyden bill doesn't do anything about the atypical behavior's of the health care market ether. The Bennett/Wyden bill doesn’t do anything about the atypical behavior’s of the health care market ether.

]]> By: HollyontheHill http://underthedome.org/2009/08/21/bennett12-going-on-19-to-24-and-beyond/comment-page-1/#comment-77034 HollyontheHill Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:18:02 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=851#comment-77034 Wow - what a bunch of crankies. Bennett promised to get in, serve 12 years and get out. He lied. The Bennett/Wyden bill would impose serious federal mandates - including gov't funded abortions - and sweeping and heavy-handed federal control over the insurance markets and its replacement of one tax inequity with another. It socialist version #2. And Candi, Rep Frank is the best there is, a true fiscal conservative who walks the walk. You should check out his voting record sometime. He consistently fights against growing government and consistently votes to keep money in the pockets of the tax payers. Wow – what a bunch of crankies. Bennett promised to get in, serve 12 years and get out. He lied. The Bennett/Wyden bill would impose serious federal mandates – including gov’t funded abortions – and sweeping and heavy-handed federal control over the insurance markets and its replacement of one tax inequity with another. It socialist version #2.

And Candi, Rep Frank is the best there is, a true fiscal conservative who walks the walk. You should check out his voting record sometime. He consistently fights against growing government and consistently votes to keep money in the pockets of the tax payers.

]]> By: Ronald D. Hunt http://underthedome.org/2009/08/21/bennett12-going-on-19-to-24-and-beyond/comment-page-1/#comment-77000 Ronald D. Hunt Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:12:11 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=851#comment-77000 Utah has always had sort of a soft cushion that separates us from the rest of the nation on economics. It toke longer for the recession to hit Utah, We most certainly will be just as far behind in the recovery. I think this same effect kept Utah from being hit as hard by the recession as other states where hit as well. I would guess this effect comes from the larger average family size and somewhat higher savings rate then the rest of the country, but that's just a guess. Utah has always had sort of a soft cushion that separates us from the rest of the nation on economics. It toke longer for the recession to hit Utah, We most certainly will be just as far behind in the recovery. I think this same effect kept Utah from being hit as hard by the recession as other states where hit as well.

I would guess this effect comes from the larger average family size and somewhat higher savings rate then the rest of the country, but that’s just a guess.

]]> By: Candi Jeppson http://underthedome.org/2009/08/21/bennett12-going-on-19-to-24-and-beyond/comment-page-1/#comment-76992 Candi Jeppson Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:03:36 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=851#comment-76992 Just wait for the state economy to start tanking, then all the pompous legislators like Mr. Frank will scurry away from the limelight claiming their actions were not responsible for the downturn. But during the good times, they are obviously the responsible party. Typical politicians. Claiming credit for anything positive even when they don't deserve it. Wait and see. Utah will NOT be the first state to exit the recession despite what our state leaders would have us believe. And who will be to blame then, Mr. Frank? Senator Bennett? President Obama? Anybody but yourself I'm sure. Just wait for the state economy to start tanking, then all the pompous legislators like Mr. Frank will scurry away from the limelight claiming their actions were not responsible for the downturn. But during the good times, they are obviously the responsible party.

Typical politicians. Claiming credit for anything positive even when they don’t deserve it.

Wait and see. Utah will NOT be the first state to exit the recession despite what our state leaders would have us believe. And who will be to blame then, Mr. Frank? Senator Bennett? President Obama? Anybody but yourself I’m sure.

]]> By: Ronald D. Hunt http://underthedome.org/2009/08/21/bennett12-going-on-19-to-24-and-beyond/comment-page-1/#comment-76976 Ronald D. Hunt Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:47:05 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=851#comment-76976 Asking congress to balance a budget is not possible. Congress can always print more money, barrow the money etc... The best tax reform we could do would be to remove control of taxation from congress, Have an independent panel that is created from 3 appointee's from the president and 3 appointee's from congress using the VP as deciding vote when necessary, excepting that the congress can override this vote with a 2/3rds vote. You define 1 tax that is a yearly adjustable tax that is controlled by this panel so that the panel can adjust it to what ever point is required to pay all the bills. And then you have any other tax's as defined by congress in whatever way suites them. This panel would be charged with Collecting enough tax's to service all costs, and debt. This could be made law so that if they didn't collect enough the panel could be sued and forced to increase the adjustable tax. Congress of course could always pass a bill to barrow money but they would be forced to put a number on the loan and it would be much easier to fight. If you made the adjustable tax a consumption tax, basically a sales tax and eliminate income tax altogether. Not only could be eliminate allot of the lobbyist pandering around tax benefits, we could vastly simplify the federal tax collection system and save loads of money. Bad spending policy would have more immediate consequences for Congress and the president. Their are many other benefits from a consumption tax, Its one of the issues that I think Huckabee had a good idea on. Asking congress to balance a budget is not possible. Congress can always print more money, barrow the money etc…

The best tax reform we could do would be to remove control of taxation from congress, Have an independent panel that is created from 3 appointee’s from the president and 3 appointee’s from congress using the VP as deciding vote when necessary, excepting that the congress can override this vote with a 2/3rds vote.

You define 1 tax that is a yearly adjustable tax that is controlled by this panel so that the panel can adjust it to what ever point is required to pay all the bills. And then you have any other tax’s as defined by congress in whatever way suites them.

This panel would be charged with Collecting enough tax’s to service all costs, and debt. This could be made law so that if they didn’t collect enough the panel could be sued and forced to increase the adjustable tax. Congress of course could always pass a bill to barrow money but they would be forced to put a number on the loan and it would be much easier to fight.

If you made the adjustable tax a consumption tax, basically a sales tax and eliminate income tax altogether. Not only could be eliminate allot of the lobbyist pandering around tax benefits, we could vastly simplify the federal tax collection system and save loads of money. Bad spending policy would have more immediate consequences for Congress and the president.

Their are many other benefits from a consumption tax, Its one of the issues that I think Huckabee had a good idea on.

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