Comments on: Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics from Rolly http://underthedome.org/2007/12/31/lies-damn-lies-and-statistics-from-rolly/ Politics * Economics * Business * History * People Tue, 31 Aug 2010 02:38:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: The Senate Site http://underthedome.org/2007/12/31/lies-damn-lies-and-statistics-from-rolly/comment-page-1/#comment-37215 The Senate Site Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:06:18 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=323#comment-37215 He also seems to have touched a nerve. But it's not that he called BS on a MSM reporter's baloney. That's what bloggers are supposed to do. It's that he used the words "alleged" and "perceived" when he talked about gerrymandering. But gerrymandering wasn't Rep. Frank's main point, here. Neither was it Stan Lockhart's point in the op-ed piece (http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7837756). He also seems to have touched a nerve.

But it’s not that he called BS on a MSM reporter’s baloney. That’s what bloggers are supposed to do.

It’s that he used the words “alleged” and “perceived” when he talked about gerrymandering.

But gerrymandering wasn’t Rep. Frank’s main point, here. Neither was it Stan Lockhart’s point in the op-ed piece (http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7837756).

]]> By: The Senate Site http://underthedome.org/2007/12/31/lies-damn-lies-and-statistics-from-rolly/comment-page-1/#comment-37214 The Senate Site Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:59:53 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=323#comment-37214 Well, this is a pretty open discussion. And it's on the site he built, maintains and funds. Seems like he hosted it to me. Well, this is a pretty open discussion. And it’s on the site he built, maintains and funds. Seems like he hosted it to me.

]]> By: KVNU’s For The People » Topic Idea http://underthedome.org/2007/12/31/lies-damn-lies-and-statistics-from-rolly/comment-page-1/#comment-37056 KVNU’s For The People » Topic Idea Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:22:08 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=323#comment-37056 [...] http://underthedome.org/?p=323 [...] [...] http://underthedome.org/?p=323 [...]

]]> By: jasonthe http://underthedome.org/2007/12/31/lies-damn-lies-and-statistics-from-rolly/comment-page-1/#comment-37034 jasonthe Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:02:49 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=323#comment-37034 Frank did not "host" an open discussion by posting what he has here. What he has done is take a column he disagrees with and used it as an opportunity to completely misconstrue (ney, completely deny?) a gerrymander effort that has created a disconnect in representation. You may call it "open," I call it simply dishonest, and ill-informed. Frank did not “host” an open discussion by posting what he has here. What he has done is take a column he disagrees with and used it as an opportunity to completely misconstrue (ney, completely deny?) a gerrymander effort that has created a disconnect in representation.

You may call it “open,” I call it simply dishonest, and ill-informed.

]]> By: Your Mother http://underthedome.org/2007/12/31/lies-damn-lies-and-statistics-from-rolly/comment-page-1/#comment-37000 Your Mother Mon, 07 Jan 2008 07:23:32 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=323#comment-37000 Silly, angry, dysfunctional, <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/102943/Republicans-Report-Much-Better-Mental-Health-Than-Others.aspx" rel="nofollow">democrats</a>. They have a point, but they don't know what to do with it. Silly, angry, dysfunctional, democrats. They have a point, but they don’t know what to do with it.

]]> By: The Senate Site http://underthedome.org/2007/12/31/lies-damn-lies-and-statistics-from-rolly/comment-page-1/#comment-36913 The Senate Site Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:11:57 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=323#comment-36913 Wow, CF. You've built yourself a fan base. Staple to the forehead? Wow. Rep. Frank isn't making a case in favor of gerrymandering. He is calling baloney on Mr. Rolly, who used "diluted and misleading" information. To those who have worked themselves into a frenzy over this post, I'd recommend a different approach. Don't like whacked out districts that slice communities apart? Join the club. Creating precisely equal numbered districts is much more difficult than you might imagine. Don't love compromise to attain a consensus? No one does. But if you're going to be effective you need to work with people, not just lob hand grenades at malformed caricatures of real people. Two more years until the next census, and redistricting will follow. Keep paying attention and keep participating in a way that is functional, <a href="http://senatesite.com/blog/2006/11/map-l.html" rel="nofollow">like Craig did back in the day</a>. More effective that way. Kudos to Craig Frank for posting those stats and hosting an open discussion. Wow, CF. You’ve built yourself a fan base. Staple to the forehead? Wow.

Rep. Frank isn’t making a case in favor of gerrymandering. He is calling baloney on Mr. Rolly, who used “diluted and misleading” information.

To those who have worked themselves into a frenzy over this post, I’d recommend a different approach. Don’t like whacked out districts that slice communities apart? Join the club. Creating precisely equal numbered districts is much more difficult than you might imagine. Don’t love compromise to attain a consensus? No one does. But if you’re going to be effective you need to work with people, not just lob hand grenades at malformed caricatures of real people. Two more years until the next census, and redistricting will follow. Keep paying attention and keep participating in a way that is functional, like Craig did back in the day. More effective that way.

Kudos to Craig Frank for posting those stats and hosting an open discussion.

]]> By: marshall http://underthedome.org/2007/12/31/lies-damn-lies-and-statistics-from-rolly/comment-page-1/#comment-36808 marshall Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:31:46 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=323#comment-36808 Anybody ready for a different topic??? Wow, here is a different topic, I would support stapling the 10 commandment to Craig's forehead so he can learn to follow the 9th. Anybody ready for a different topic???

Wow, here is a different topic, I would support stapling the 10 commandment to Craig’s forehead so he can learn to follow the 9th.

]]> By: Richard W. http://underthedome.org/2007/12/31/lies-damn-lies-and-statistics-from-rolly/comment-page-1/#comment-36755 Richard W. Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:43:43 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=323#comment-36755 Since gerrymandering did not happen,according to the Repubs, then Rep. Frank must be in favor of an independent redistricting committee to map out the new districts in 2011. Great! Finally the people will decide. (I'm kidding, since when did the Republican Legislature ever care about what the people wanted?) Since gerrymandering did not happen,according to the Repubs, then Rep. Frank must be in favor of an independent redistricting committee to map out the new districts in 2011.
Great! Finally the people will decide.
(I’m kidding, since when did the Republican Legislature ever care about what the people wanted?)

]]> By: Obi wan liberali http://underthedome.org/2007/12/31/lies-damn-lies-and-statistics-from-rolly/comment-page-1/#comment-36583 Obi wan liberali Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:46:30 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=323#comment-36583 Monica, listen to yourself. You seem to say, "yes Republicans cooked the books, just not as much as Rolly claimed." Wow, what an admission. "Rolly was right, he just overstated his case." What the Republican legislature did in the last reapportionment was an act of tyranny. It disinfranchised a whole county in the State of Utah. A large and growing county in this state has one representative and zero senators. This is the result of Republican tyranny plain and simple. It is a symptom of a greater problem, it is a problem of Utahns voting blindly for bad legislators on the basis of party affiliation. And Utah County seems to be the chief enabler of this phenomenom. How guys like Dougall, Stephenson, and Bramble can get re-elected so easily is truly terrifying if you think Utah worthy of redemption. BTW, I haven't made up my mind on Rep. Frank. But my past political involvement remembers the honorable service of guys like LeRay McAllister, Howard Nielsen and others who acted in ways that could be considered statesmanlike. Utah's current crop doesn't bear much resemblance. Monica, listen to yourself. You seem to say, “yes Republicans cooked the books, just not as much as Rolly claimed.” Wow, what an admission. “Rolly was right, he just overstated his case.”

What the Republican legislature did in the last reapportionment was an act of tyranny. It disinfranchised a whole county in the State of Utah. A large and growing county in this state has one representative and zero senators. This is the result of Republican tyranny plain and simple. It is a symptom of a greater problem, it is a problem of Utahns voting blindly for bad legislators on the basis of party affiliation. And Utah County seems to be the chief enabler of this phenomenom. How guys like Dougall, Stephenson, and Bramble can get re-elected so easily is truly terrifying if you think Utah worthy of redemption.

BTW, I haven’t made up my mind on Rep. Frank. But my past political involvement remembers the honorable service of guys like LeRay McAllister, Howard Nielsen and others who acted in ways that could be considered statesmanlike. Utah’s current crop doesn’t bear much resemblance.

]]> By: Jeremy http://underthedome.org/2007/12/31/lies-damn-lies-and-statistics-from-rolly/comment-page-1/#comment-36576 Jeremy Wed, 02 Jan 2008 02:25:19 +0000 http://underthedome.org/?p=323#comment-36576 Rob Miller: "Look Rep. Frank, why don’t you act like a true representative of the people and sponsor a bill for an independent redistricting committee." Rep. Frank: "Anybody ready for a different topic???" How typically Republican! :-) Rob Miller: “Look Rep. Frank, why don’t you act like a true representative of the people and sponsor a bill for an independent redistricting committee.”

Rep. Frank: “Anybody ready for a different topic???”

How typically Republican! :-)

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